Wednesday, March 17, 2010

Ray Hagins Refuted



See also my post: Ray Hagins is Wrong: The Serapis Letter

Citations for this video can be seen here.

***Disclaimer***

Michael Licona recently made an announcement about one of my quotations I used in this video:

"Humble Pie I want to make a correction to what Gary Habermas and I wrote in [The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus] (p. 128). We say,  "Tiberius Caesar was the Roman emperor at the time of Jesus’ ministry and execution. Tiberius is mentioned by ten sources within 150 years of his death: Tacitus, Suetonius, Velleius Paterculus, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Seneca, Valerius Maximus, Josephus, and Luke. Compare that to Jesus’ forty-two total sources in the same length of time. That’s more than four times the number of total sources who mention the Roman emperor during roughly the same period. If we only considered the number of secular non-Christian sources who mention Jesus and Tiberius within 150 years of their lives, we arrive at a tie of nine each." It has recently been brought to my attention that a graduate student has written an article revealing several other sources for Tiberius...I say that I'm mistaken, because this part of the book was written by me and not Gary Habermas. So, I assume full responsibility for the error. I'm embarrassed by the mistake. I had just started my doctoral program at the time and simply did not check into this with the care with which I should have."

 Footnotes:
1) See Gary Habermas book The Verdict of History. Its central objective is the delineation and extrapolation of these sources. Gary Habermas and Michael Licona's book The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus is the most extensive publication on the historicity of the resurrection to date, on page p. 233 they document 42 separate sources (Christian and non) within 150 years of Jesus' death.
(1-A) Krishna: a sourcebook By Edwin Francis Bryant p. 148 Quoting Sarala's Mahabharata "'[Jara] tageted them (Krishna's feet) with his bow and discharged an arrow. Lo it peirced the left foot of sleeping Shri Krishna, who started up, saw blood oozing out from his foot and felt a sharp pain. 'Who' he wondered 'could inflict such pain on me?' "Jara came close and recognised Shri Krishna..."
p. 150 "Jara removed the arrow from Shri Krishna's foot. Shri Krishna collapsed the gandiva with his right hand and looked at Arjuna. His spirit left his body".
2) Gary R. Habermas and Michael Licona, The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Grand Rapids MI : Kregel Publications, 2004) 128.
"...Let's look at an even better example, a contemporary of Jesus. Tiberius Caesar was the Roman emperor at the time of Jesus' ministry and execution. Tiberius is mentioned by ten sources within 150 years of his death: Tacitus, Suetonius, Velleius Paterculus, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Seneca, Valerius Maximus, Josephus, and Luke. Compare that to Jesus' forty-two total sources in the same length of time. That's more than four times the number of total sources who mention the Roman emperor during roughly the same period. If we only considered the number of secular non-Christian sources who mention Jesus and Tiberius within 150 years of their lives, we arrive at a tie of nine each."

"What we have concerning Jesus actually is impressive. We can start with approximately nine traditional authors of the New Testament. If we consider the critical thesis that other authors wrote the pastoral letters and such letters as Ephesians and 2 Thessalonians, we'd have an even larger number. Another twenty early Christian authors and four heretical writings mention Jesus within 150 years of his death on the cross. Moreover, nine secular, non-Christian sources mention Jesus within the 150 years: Josephus, the Jewish historian; Tacitus, the Roman historian; Pliny the Younger, a politician of Rome; Phlegon, a freed slave who wrote histories; Lucian, the Greek satirist; Celsus, a Roman philosopher; and probably the historians Suetonius and Thallus, as well as the prisoner Mara Bar-Serapion. In all, at least forty-two authors, nine of them secular, mention Jesus within 150 years of his death."
3) Ibid footnote(2).
4) Lee Strobel, The Case For The Real Jesus, 177
5) The Christian Combat Manual: Helps for Defending your Faith: A Handbook for Practical Apologetics, 2007, p. 206

153 comments:

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    1. FAITH makes ALL the difference for the TRUE CHRISTIAN. :)

      1 Corinthians 2:14
      But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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    1. FAITH makes ALL the difference for the TRUE CHRISTIAN. :)

      1 Corinthians 2:14
      But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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  3. Cher pasteur Hagins Ray je vous remercie beaucoup de la façon dont vous allez dans l'éveil du peuple noir du monde sur les traces du mfumu Kimbangu. Je suis représentant de radio nabiso katiopa qui est une web radio sur www.radiobk.com. Nous sommes une base de la communauté africaine de radio en Europe, nous avons des programmes awereness en langue africaine. En anglais seulement Mercredi à 19h30, heure britannique. Que le Dieu de nos ancetors vous bénisse tous et la langue de votre lingala works.In Afrique, nous disons: "TIKA ETE TATA NZAMBIA Mpungu TOLENDO Un PAMBOLA BINO"

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  4. the beauty of the HOLY Spirit is that he reveals all THINGS.. Hi Ray Hagins! you are possed by a powerful DEMON, AND SOON you will be ecposed!! as a FALSE Pastor. You are operating in your abilities because your god SATAN has blinded the minds of the worldly people DEAR brother Ben Stanhope, he can aonly decieve those that are BLINDED as for me you brother Ben we PERCIEVE with the eyes of the HOLY SPIRIT and see him for who he is a DEMONIC man. The sons of GOD are ready to make WAR!!..SO RAY, gather all your false prophets together and I WILL MAKE the FIRE rain from the SKY Like ELIJAH..

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    1. We would be blind to listen to you ignorant fools. Who spite out religious quotes as if we dont know who you are the devil himself. You dont speak for the majority of us . light and life has come to us we are slaves no more to your limited amount of knowledge that you stole from the originl man. you have no records or no history, take that garbage back where you got it. Contact minister farrakan with that offer and see how quickly and wisely he destroys your myths.

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  5. Oh my jesus, its so obvious that Christianity is derived from Kemetic spirituality. Look at all the evidence. White people are the true israelites, and the chosen and Jesus died for their sins. Please, your self-righteous behavior is sickening. Take your bible and leave the negro to his own devices. My Black people were enslaved under White Christianity, so were many Whites. In places like norway, white freedom fighters burn churches. They hater what the good christian WASPs have done to them as do I.

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    1. Thank you.

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    2. that sounds like bitter pride. look at where you are now look at the long road behind you all s
      suffering is good for the spirit because it leads you closer to god
      you owe your brother the white man. you are in there dept spiritually
      martin luther king even olbama these are fruit from suffering
      chose love over hate and humble over pride and you will find the
      kingdom of god

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    3. wulfblade: Your statements are incredulous. Consider this, according to Old Testament scripture, the Egyptians enslaved the Hebrews just as European colonials enslaved Africans (lots of folks have been slaves, its certainly not limited to black folks in any way). Now think to yourself, has religion or nationalistic fervor ever helped mankind? An honest assessment would reveal that all this belief in mythology serves no purpose other than to stunt your mind. Brother, free yourself from it, there aint no God.

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    4. the ones who discredit the facts are lost....its cool...keep your bible and false preachings...we're not mad...you wont teach that bs to my children

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  6. And another thing, stop calling Blacks demon-possessed because they do not recognize the spiritual and mental authority Whites seek to have over them. I guess when you want freedom from mental enslavemenT, that means you are demon possessed. Stop trying to prove things that happened two thousand years ago. Its a waste of time and not a shard of physical evidence that theologians claim is legitimate is substantial enough to prove what any Christian maintains to a non-believer. Did not Christ say "love your enemies"? If ray hagins is your enemy, then love him. You whites pray to a white, semitic Jesus and we Blacks who do not worship or identify with your spiritual path pray to a Black God. The God of The Sun. The son of that God is Heru (Horus). Born of a Black woman's womb with the divine life force's essence contained within. The sun's light and heat is what sustains life on this planet. We worship that which proves its validity without a shadow of a doubt. Jesus said i am the truth and the light. The truth is that the sun does keep this planet alive. The light is the MOTHERFUCKING sunlight. The way is the path that Jesus walked. A path of good. Open your eyes, dogma is dead. Millions of people were killed in the name of Jesus Christ. It was people like you who burned innocent blacks, whites and other ethnicities because you believed they were possessed by demons. But a just god punishes those who defy his laws. You must ask for forgiveness for hating your fellow man as you do hagins. Study maat. The sons of GOD are ready to make PEACE, bitch ass cracker enslaver motherfuckers!

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    1. Wulfblade, I don't feel good at all about the African slave trade, neither do I feel good about the secret family court human trafficking forced adoption trade, with the fair skinned blondies being the cherry picked prizes. If you look back at the African slave trade, not only will you see that the slaves were being sold by the African ruling classes to Europeans, it was a white skinned Christian believer called William Wilberforce who spent decades trying to stop the hideous trade. So please don't pull the race card "our people are better than yours" stuff, it's not true, we are all part of Gods creation.

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    2. We are but for different reasons, we know your history.Jesus said when he was approached in the manner.We are all of the same father. Jesus replied,Iknow you: You are of your father the devil. He was a liar and a murderer and the truth abode not in him.

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  7. If you unrepentant Christian Whites want to feel good about something, feel good about the African slave trade. Feel good about the atrocities you've committed in the name of OUR lord and savior, the constantly recurring physical manifestation of our HUMAN creator. White Christianity is an oxymoron. How can an evil man enter the kingdom of heaven because he is covered in the blood of an INNOCENT man who literally died and dies everyday for the sins of the wicked man? And by his hand.

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  8. Wulfblade7, nothing you said addresses my post.

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  9. I wasn't addressing your point. I was indicating that the gentleman who called Hagins demon-possessed is racist and ignorant and you have not come to the aid of hagins in not rebuking this violent, evil christian. Most likely because you agree with the THEimageof YAHVEH.

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  10. Jesus is the prince of peace, not war so that one guy can fuck himself, because on judgement day he will be classified as a hypocritical christian sinner by professing that the sons of god are ready to make war when the SON OF GOD, is the PRINCE OF PEACE.

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  11. Wow. I feel that Dr. Hagins is an extremely eloquent speaker in addition to being very well versed. I must say objectively that if Ben is accurate in his assessment of Dr. Hagins claims, then Dr. Hagin should have at least given a rebuttal to address them. However, my interpretation is that ALL the stories are mythological, and Dr. Hagins perspective is to not be bogged down by the trivial aspects of each story. At any rate, I don't think racist comments have any place here. Just my two cents.

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  12. I am a black man filled with so many gifts and at the same time so many lies. At this point i feel saddened beyond anything I've ever experienced. My dad is a Pastor and I've lived my entire life "trying to be a good christian". Six months ago i started learning new information in regard to religion, history and so on. Even though some of the facts may be wrong with what Ray Hagins has taught, there are too many undeniable truths that ( to be honest ) have brought me to a spiritual stand still. I want Jesus to be real... but for now i just don't believe .... I think this is the most painful paragraph I've ever written.

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    1. I hear ya Don Preach. My whole life has been based on things I learned from my parents growing up. I just took it at face value. But now? I'm so confused.
      My biggest issue with this is that no one alive today was alive then to confirm what the truth is. All over the world, everyone has their own truths'....who can tell any individual they are wrong when they have no solid proof either way?

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    2. I feel what you've said. We are on a journey for truth. Facing this Demonic NWO we need Jesus. I certainly hope he exists. But even if he doesn't I know for certain my prayers are answered. So take heart there's someone powerful who loves us even if he's name is not Jesus.

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    3. FAITH makes ALL the difference for the TRUE CHRISTIAN. :)

      1 Corinthians 2:14
      But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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    4. Do you actually know that during the war of the crusades that all christians meant only white people, and all people of color was muslims. Where do you get off on this true christians. Christanity is only over 2,000 years only. What was the true religion before christianity. Most of you have no knowledge of history so can only speak from what you have been taught namely by the slave masters and those that brough us here to this country and taught us History: We have yet to know our own. They stripped us of our names, our cultural, our history, our god. Most of all they imposed their mind set upon us. Now they want us to continue the lie and teach our children the same thig. Hell no !!!

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  13. Don Preach. give me a list of the claims Ray Hagins (or anyone else) has told you that causes you to doubt Christ and I will refute each one with primary sources. If you take a look around at my other work I have probably already covered most of the claims.

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    1. ben why do you need to refute it, you are a christian you believe in jesus right then jus leave it at dat. also i would like to say before u make an arguement you have to do your research on both sides. and about jesus and christianity go and reasearch serapis and soter. peace

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    2. I came across this blog and thought it quite interesting. Ben, I am curious as to these primary sources. Even in the scriptures alone Paul never met Jesus in real life. He (Paul that is) relied on a supernatural meeting with the resurrected Jesus. It is not as if Paul knew Jesus during his natural life. So, whatever scholars have to say about this and the scriptures in general is their interpretation of what happened. This is clearly subjective. Knowing this how can you claim to have primary sources. You should be focusing the debate on proving the resurrection of Jesus rather than proving that Dr. Hagins is a false teacher. That would be far more powerful and would give us all more insight into Jesus.

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    3. Hey ben...money means nothin to the african only to whites..so on that note give me one burial site of anyone in the bible from abraham..mosses..king david..etc..... truth be told... NONE (meaning burial sites) Have Been FOUND!!!! Look up the meaning of : alegory......

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    4. WITH WHAT CAN YOU REFUTE IT ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY EUROPEAN SCHOLARS. please!

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  14. Ben wake up! The idea of the Trinity comes from Horus, Isis and Osirus. You can cite all the white folks books you want, CHRISTIANITY is a stolen belief system that your Greek & Roman friends have been taking credit for since 325 AD. Kemet is the source of the bible. No one hates you but it's time to tell the truth about the lies.

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    1. Please quit getting racial it's not about that. Ben is an sincere truth seeker. I do believe the word originated in Egypt. What I need to know, is the bible inspired by GOD? Did GOD have a son on this earth who died for mankind? I appreciate Ben, he's inspiring hope and is giving me information I can research.

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    2. Wounderful point jeanie

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  15. Regurgitating the party line doesn’t justify it.

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  17. Don I am going through a simular state of mind. I am trying to sort this all out myself. I wish I had the money to do my own research and travel back in time. But to answer Ben's request for you to give him 1 thing that changed your mind: One thing that Dr. Hagins said and I researched it myself via internet/books. The age of Adam v.s. the age of the Spinx and other artifacts proved to me that the bible is a lie; however filled with some historical facts mainly plagiarized from the sorce from which they began.

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  18. Besides don't you think by now the grave robbers opps I mean Archaeologist would have found (which has been estimated at 500,000) young males who died by the hand of god to force pharoah to release the jews would have been found?

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    1. Nice I like that, the grave robbers, opps.

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  22. Ray Hagins cleary showed how the causcasians stole Afrikan peoples concepts to make their own religion of enslavement.
    He clearly showed how the people of Sumeria had to be originally Afrikan, nappy hair people.
    These Indians today have so much poop in their mouths from licking the caucasian's anus that they will, of course, support their oppressor. To agree with Mr. Hagins is to admit that being Indian means you're a mixed race and that the original teachings of India are Afrikan!
    Zeitgeist is the caucasians way of saying,"Mayday!"
    The causcasins have to start giving out some more of the truth to manipulate it and us further!
    We can't apologize for being Afrikan just like you won't apologize for being a blood sucking vampire and deceiver/parasite/caucasian...

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  23. The more I read comments like the one above, the more I realize how flawed our system of education is, that it cannot teach anyone anymore either logic or critical thinking... and how flawed we are as a society, that we no longer have common sense in high regard.

    I also realize that the knowledge about Christianity that these people have is a grade-level caricature at best.

    I'm sorry, I cannot be charitable to those who are proud of and sanctimonious about their intellectual and moral anemia. Primary sources mean nothing to them. Historical facts are nothing to them. Common sense means nothing to them. They only want a god made in their own image.

    Chesterton would have a field day if he still lived.

    When G*d is absent from a person, something ELSE has to fill that void. Nature abhors a vacuum, but what tends to fill that vacuum can be even more abhorrent.

    But, then again, it is the sign of the times.

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    1. Who give a dam what you think,the truth bares witness above the lie you have fabricated and stole through out the years in attemp to reverse history. Your time and day of reckonin has come face it.

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  24. Cobalt Wolf, I commend your reasonableness.

    I just want to say that it saddens me that these discussions are even occurring. The notion of the divine has ceased to matter for decades.

    But alas, I remember when I thought it mattered only a few short years ago. Here's hoping that people will cease to befuddle their minds with the most detrimental intellectual tangent civilization has ever had to endure.

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  25. Ben Stanhope

    There is a lot of explaining to do when it comes to your belief system. If your religion is not guilty then the fruits of such will surely show itself to be what it claims. Yet if history is examined from the perspective of the African, Arawak, and the indigenous people of Australia to name a few, Christianity is a vehicle for conquering peoples. Was it GOD's will for such evil things to happen? What if Gerald Massey is telling the truth? Would such a man get support? To be honest I am not a historian or theologists of any sort but the common sense that I was given makes me examine this thing called religion. I have a few simple questions for you. Why is a church even necessary? Why are preachers paid? Why can't people live in those buildings if they are homeless? Why are you wasting your time with Haggins and Kwasi instead of helping the suffering people of this world? If they believe in what they believe in does it take anything away from you? Do you need them to say they are not telling the truth, so you can feel comfortable about what you believe, is your faith that weak? Jesus said do not cast your pearls before swines. He also said we are suppose to make peace with are brothers not attack them. I myself have not seen GOD or this Jesus but I see my brothers and sisters everyday, think about that. I do acknowledge some of the principles laid forth in the text, but that does not mean I have to believe the stories. Believe for yourself and let GOD speak to the rest and guide them the way GOD sees fit. Everyone has the answers to who GOD is but no one wants to live in that image.

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    1. God has always sent a messanger to the people. You should answer to your own people for the crimes they have commited than to try to rationalize your point with us. you are like the pilgrim missonarys that took their message of god to the indians to win there faith and then proceeding to destroying all of them. We dont hear you, your words and message is void among us. Sorry, enough is enough.

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  26. I believe unless u dnt do your own research or actually go there to see it with your OWN eyes what more can u say than nothing. The bible was written by menn NOT Gods own hands. who is to say these translated men didnt add, edit, delete words that were once there. with my research i have that many NIV were written an published by the same people who write the satanic bible??? i am just saying RESEARCH and SEE FOR YOURSELF. anybody can write a book but not anybody can defy the REAL TRUTH with the EVIDENCE is in plan site.

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  27. LOOK...BRUCE LEE KNEW KUNG FU..AN ART FROM HIS HOME COUNTRY....BRUCE LEE IS CHINESE.....OK..BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BE CHINESE TO LEARN KUNG FU....

    THE ESSENCE OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM EXISTED IN THE NILE VALLEY BEFORE EUROPEANS/WESTERN ASIANS STEPPED FOOT IN AFRICA....EVERYONE WHO CAME INTO CONTACT WITH AFRICA WALKED AWAY WITH A RELIGION....

    HOWEVER HYPOCRITS THAT LOVE KUNG FU ACTION MOVIES , BUT SAY THE CHINESE ARE PAGAN UNLESS THEY ARE CHRISTIAN...WHEN IT WAS BUDDHISM THAT BROUGHT FORTH KUNG FU TO CHINA AND THEN TO THE WEST...
    THE POINT IS EUROPEANS (AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR) HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THEIR OWN WICKED SCRIBES OF MODERN HISTORY....HITLER SAID CONQERORS WRITE HISTORY..HITLER WASN'T CREATING THAT PHILOSOPHY HE WAS MERELY REMARKING ON THE BRILLIANCE OF AMERICAN SCHOLARSHIP!!! IT WAS AMERICA'S TREATMENT OF AFRICANS THAT INSPIRED HITLER TO DO WHAT HE DID TO THE GERMANS HE DIDN'T LIKE AND JEWS HE DIDN'T LIKE IN GERMANY....

    HITLER ALSO SAID THE BIGGER THE LIE THE MORE BELIEVABLE IT IS...WHY WOULDN'T THE PEASANTS BIBLE BE SUBJECTED TO SUCH TREATMENT? THE TRUTH..HISTORICALLY EUROPEANS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO POSSESS A PERSONAL BIBLE UNTIL RECENTLY....SO IF SOMEONE IS MAD AT THE TRUTH...THEN TAKE IT OUT ON THOSE THAT LIED TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE...BLESS..AND MAY YOU FIND WHAT YOU SEEK///

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  28. REALLY...I WISH YOU PEOPLE WOULD GO ASK YOUR LOCAL PREACHER IF HE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT KEMET? LEFT FOOD FORWARD!!!!

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  29. can ben's ignorant ass rebutal the National Georgraphic issue entitled Black Pharoahs?

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  30. Better visit this sensible site: http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com

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  31. I hope you got an umbrella because its about to rain cold hard facts, first of all you never try to refute zeitgeist, but you try to refute Dr Ray Hagins and Ashra Kwesi who is black. My question to you is, who the hell are you? that we as black people have to prove something to you ( Benjamin Stanhope )the sick part is you quote Gary Habermas and Michael Licona two white professors, as if they cant lie, then you have the nerve to quote Edwin Yamauchi a japanese professor on egypt. This is like Eminem telling black people about rap music hes a good rapper but he didnt start rap music like Kenny G did not start jazz, besides what school did you go to and where is your degree? As for the $1,250 dollars man take your ass to work and make your own loot son PEACE OUT

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  32. To Benjamin Stanhope , where was Jesus, when your people made black people slaves in america ? and dont say why do black people use the race card or black people sold their own into slavery. Your people had and have jesus, to you and your people, black people are savages or property of europeans. yes black people was a part of the slave trade but they was not christians, until your people made them christians ,so they could be better slaves and you have the nerve to preach jesus WOW. The slaves have the same religion as the slave master!!! I thought you could not serve two masters, but it was ok for the slaves (black people) OH the savages, and the native indians also to worship the white man ,woman , child and the white Jesus. WOW thats about four masters, but MAN LISTEN YOU ARE A TRUE PIMP AND JESUS IS BIG BUSINESS,So i say to you keep on pimping, blood sucking and making money off the masses of people around the planet with Jesus

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  33. Banjamin, your research is quite sound. Actually, you should have been disappointed if his followers had not attempted to discredit you, some lewdly. If Hagin was the man of God he claims to be, he would have not only produced his primary source materials uncovered by his many trips to Egypt, he would have also preferred giving your wager to the poor. Moreover, if he is indeed truthful with the best interests of his followers at heart, he would continually remind them that hundreds of thousands of white people gave their lives to free our ancestors 'from' slavery. But Hagin is simply a charlatan, an imposter, one whose conscious permits him to lie to people who sincerely believe in him. I've been to a few countries in Africa. Neither he nor his Afrikan Counsciousness would last long there. Now that I think about it, why hasn't he at least attempted to promote his doctrines on the Continent, in the Mother Land itself -- that mythical place that abundantly feeds his imagination? Or is he content to remain here where his pockets are fed?

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    1. Did anyone here ever consider that Ben Stanhope's demand for attention and debate might not be that important?

      Perhaps Ray Hagins has other things to do with his time than to argue with every Matthew, Mark and Luke that challenges his perspective. Ben Stanhope is not someone that makes you ask how high when he tells you to jump. He's just another wannabe warrior for what he believes in. I think Dr. Hagins had it right when he decided not to waste his energy.

      Seek all of the truth you want, Ben. But don't assume being ignored makes you right or strengthens your arguments. You're not that important.

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    2. Thank you for saying this- its about time... I thought i was going to need to sit here and read every last comment for the person who uses the most common sense.

      Ben- when did you become a christian?

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    3. Hagin has nothing to prove you idiot and neither do any of our people. We would be fools to entertaine such ignorance and stupidity. We have nothing to defend. We know you raped our mothers, hung our fathers and imposed your religion upon us.It
      is no longer relevant how many whites tryed to help us. The masses of your people killed them also but that does not change the facts. When you invaded egypt you sole all of the knowledge and imformation from the libarays their and claimed it as your own. Ray hagins is down right telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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    4. Ray Hagins is feeding his pockets..a straight con-artist...trying to make a organization for himself. Deceiving our people just as Father Divine and Rev.Ike...so they can live in self pumped up righteousness. The only "Truth" is how his followers glorify him Pastor Hagins...Maat. yes, I pray that my peoples eyes be open, and see him for con-artist he is... Father Divine had prayer clothes...Rev.Ike had plastic crosses...Pastor Hagins has Cd's & DVDS. Oh my people...oh my people...don't sell your soul to the DEVIL....

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    5. where to start.Ray Hagins is blowing smoke up all of ya'lls ass.How much research have any of you done? All he is doing is mixing truth with lies. Yes white folks white washed Egypt's culture and religion.hell you can see that in England ,DC and other damn place. Yes the word and The man they used Jesus is made up.the letter J wasn't invented til the 15th century.His name was Yahushua!! and he was a Brother !!But you knew that already right ?? Hagins he wont tell you is where EGYPT got there beliefs from!! BABYLON.Thats were ALLLLLL religions come from all started by who NIMROD !!!! where do you think the Romans came up with so called Christmas and Easter ? Babylon.Worshipping on Sunday? Babylon !!!.Egypt didn't invent nothing.it all came from there why because Nimrod ruled early Kermet also.Nimrod went by many names Osirus,Gilemesh( yes sumeria)to name a few.Nimrod worships SATAN Period.Ohh and what was hagins saying about jews? yes the word jew was invented and those jews today are converts.If you are called African American then YOU are descendants of the Original hewbrew. You are from Shem not Ham.ancient Kermet was black so were you.Whites come from Noah's son Japheth(Gentiles) the Ashkanazi So called jews comes from him thru his grandson ASHKANAZ !!! Hagins want to say the bible is made from Egyptian scripture ,well guess what there is a book made BEFORE the Egyptian and whitey tried to hide it.BOOK OF ENOCH!!! As for hewbrew?Israel !! Ithas nothing to do with religion.Isreal was a Nation! period.(BLOODLINE) these fake wannabes created Judism.

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    6. Where & What the hell do you read and get your info from!

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  34. Who is anyone on this thread to dispute a negative? I cannot believe what I am reading! If a person does not believe, who is anyone to try and convice that person to continue to believe? I cannot stand religion or Christians, they get on my nerves.

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  35. Did you really have to create a blog to dispute Dr. Hagins? A lot of people are realizing the truth about the Christian and Islamic religion. If a person chooses not to believe and wants to share their nonbeliving thoughts, then that is that persons rights.

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  36. Well if Mr Hagin believes he is right, how come he did not provide appropriate answers to the questions formulated by Mr. Stanhope? I think Mr Hagin acted in a childish manner by not providing professional answers to a subject where he feels he is an expert.

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    1. Perhaps he doesn't give a damned about Ben? That's not childish, that's having a life.

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    2. Who in the hell are you that he has to provide anything appropriate or professional. Why should he even waste his time on people such as you when his message is more vital to our own people. You are the child in manner, He owes you
      nothing in response. Take the trip as he said, there is no denying the fact they are written in stone. I have seen it for myself!!

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    3. Not giving a damn doesn't mean you are right. Ray Higgins bases his knowledge on pseudo-sientific claims that are refuted by actual respected scholars - I'm talking about hard facts here. In science it's unscientific to ignore a challenge to prove itself right. Test and retest to find out the truth. I would like to see you challenge Edwin Yamauchi and Vasudha Narayanan.

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  37. Biblical...This is an anti-Christ

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  38. Even the hebrew language came from the egyptian hieroglyphs. You'll admit that they were "enslaved" there, a proposition that has no historical support, but you can't see the cultural influences? Even with the babylonian stories, you can see parallels between the epics of gilgamesh and noah's ark. Ben, you are trying to get Dr. Hagins to prove things he admits are myths. The burden of proof rests on you to prove the earth is only 6000 years old, "god" came through a virgin down to die only to come back to life and leave again just to rapture people who believe this, and everyone else will burn. You have no proof, only "faith". Would God intentionally trick poeple? All Dr. Hagins is saying is that your religion, which was forced on African Americans through slavery, has concepts from earlier myths. It's not authentic. Learn hebrew and then read the torah and tanakh. You'll learn alot. The bible talks about unicorns! I haven't seen one. (Numbers 24:8 kjv)

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  39. Interesting enough i am a black man. I quit listening to Ray Hagin because he speaks very soft and polite unless you disagree with him. He is a very arrogant man and is in no way a spiritually minded soul. I honestly wish that he would have calmly answered one or two of the mans questions. That being said Christianity and Islam are a tool used around the world. They are "tools". They open things. They tear things up and "NEVER" do they liberate captives,they simply create a new order. The Bible and the Quran theach humility obedience and servitude. There was not even a "J" in the english language until the near modern era so there was no Jesus no Jeremiah no Job no John And there was no one called a "Jew" nor Josheph nor Jehovah no Jacob and no place called "JERUSALEM". There could not have been an historian named "Josephus". It's all a mystery...a lie. I have nothing against those called jews. Our worlds true history was controlled by "THE BLACK NOBILITY FAMILIES". There is no one else to blame and there is "NOTHING" that any one or group of us on this planet can do about it. I leave you in Peace, Elijah

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_blacknobil02.htm

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  40. children are dying in Darfur. can we shift some of this energy in that direction?

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  41. My friend benjamin senathop your are talking rubish . Hargin is rigth . I am offering you 3000 dollars to give the translation of my name NDOMPEY NVITA NKANGA in french or ENglish etc.... You can never do that because it will change the substance of it . my name in english is Ndompey in japanise it still Ndompey even in angle language it will be Ndompey . You can never translate a name without distroying it . SO Yeshoshua a heubreux name can never been translated in french or english etc... . Yeshoshua is not JESUS. bcoz JESUS is not an Heubreux Israelate name. I am sorry all you argument are just pure speculations.

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  42. Dr. Ray Hagins is not rich and filling his pockets with cash. I wouldn't answer those bullshit question either. Forget about historical lies, the bible, koran, torah are all books just books!!! Let's use common sense if I'm a black man my creator is going to look like me and if I'm a white man my creator is going to look me. All those books tell stories that never actually happened but each one has some life lessons in it. If we didn't have this books or if you never knew about this books or never reas these books would you still be able to function as a human being in this world? The answer is YES! I would like Ben punk ass to offer a chanllege to Chirstopher Hitchens who is white and would not only take his money but make him look as stupid as he sounds!!!

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    1. Well, he certainly isn't poor!

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    2. SHUTUP ZOOMPAD- you and your corny whiteness- overrate and your genes degenerated. Haha

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  43. NOW THAT CORPORATIONS ARE CONSIDERED (HUMANS)AND SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME RIGHTS AS HUMANS,PEHAPS THEY WILL ESTABLISH A NEW SAVIOR...AFTER ALL THEY WERE MADE WITH OUT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE...ALTHOUGH THEY NEVER ENTERED A WOMANS WOMB NOR EXITED FOR THAT MATTER...AND YET THEY LIVE...THEY LIVE TO MAKE SLAVES OF US ALL...LETS CRUCIFY ONE OF THE CORPORATIONS..AND PLACE OUR BELIEFS IN THE SHED BLOOD OF A CORPORATION...NOW SEND ME THAT 1200 BUCKS SO I CAN PAY MY HOUSE NOTE....AND TYTHE TO MY MORTGAGE COMPANY...DID NOT THE ACIENT ONES BELIEVE IN A TIME OF JULBELIE..IN WICH THE BOND SLAVES WERE SET FREE?AND ALL DEBTS OWED WERE FORGIVEN EVERY SEVEN YEARS? LETS GO BACK TO THOSE TIMES...SET US FREE WALL STREET...LET MY PEOPLE GO....

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  44. I WATCHED RAYS DVD LAST NIIGHT..I AM SO AFRAID I WILL GO TO HELL AND BURN FOR EVER AND EVER WITHOUT END BY MY GOD WHO LOVES ME SO VERY MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BE GOTTEN SON AS A BLOOD SACRIFICE TO SAVE ME FROM A SIN THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS EVER BORN..WOW..EVERLASTING TORMENT WITH NO END ...WHAT A CONCEPT...PLEASE FORGIVE ME LORD FOR EVEN LISTENING TO RAY...WHY DID CONSTANTINE BURN ALL OF ARIOUSES LITERATURE? THERE WERE A LOT OF BOOKS LEFT OUT OF TODAYS BIBLE..JESUS EVEN MENTIONS ONE..IS THERE SOMTHING WE SHOULD NOT KNOW...WHY ARE THE ARABS CHISSLING THE HYROGLYPHICS TO DESTROY A MESSAGE...???THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS...WHY DID THE SMITSONIAN KEEP THE DISCOVERY OF TOMBS FOUND IN THE GRAND CANYON CONTAINING MUMMIES AND ARTIFACTS OF EGYTION ORIGIN..IN 1909?AND MADE IT AGAINST THE LAW TO EXPLORE THE CAVES IN THAT AREA?...IT SEEMS THAT WE ARE BEING KEPT FROM A SECRECT...I AM CONFUSED ....I THOUGHT JESUS WAS REAL...WHO HAS BEEN ANSWERING MY PRAYERS...I HAVE BEEN SO CLOSE TO FAILURE AND HAVE BEEN DELIVERED AT THE LAST MOMENT..BY PRAYING....I JUST DONT KNOW...WOW...I GUESS WHEN I DIE I WILL FIND OUT..THEN IT WILL BE TOO LATE...FEAR IS POWERFUL....I MUST GO AND PRAY ABOUT THIS BUT WHO SHOULD I PRAY TO?

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  45. WHAT IS FREE WILL?IS IT FREE WILL IF YOU BURN IN HELL FOR QUESTIONING ITS VALIDITY? I ALWAYS THOUGHT FREE MENT NO CONSEQUENCE FOR YOUR CHOICE? FEAR KEEPS US IN BONDAGE...FEAR IS A METHOD USED TO CONTROL PEOPLE...WHY ARE WE BORN IN TO SIN WHEN WE HAVE NO CONTROL AS INFANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD? WE ONLY KNOW WHAT OUR PARENTS HAVE TOLD US...AND THEY ONLY KNOW WHAT THEIR PARENTS TOLD THEM...THIS IS HOW HATE IS SPRED FOR OTHER RACES AND CULTURES..FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION...ONCE A LIE IS SET IN MOTION IT GOES ON FOR EVER..OR AS LONG AS IT HAS PEOPLE TO KEEP IT GOING..WAS THIS ALL A LIE? DEATH AND HELL AND THE FEAR OF THE HEREAFTER HAVE KEPT US FROM QUESTIONING CLERGY?ONE ANSWER I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IS"WHERE THE SCRIPTURES LAY SILENT SO MUST I"WHAT IF THE SCRIPTURES WERE FABRCATED FROM THE START? SOME OF US WANT TO KNOW FOR SURE...WILL WE BURN IN HELL FOR SEARCHINING FOR ANSWERS? WHY IS SO MUCH INFORMATION KEPT FROM THE MASSES?DO THE MASONS AND THE ILLUMNATI HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WRITINGS FROM KEMET? WHY ARE ALL THE MONUMENTS IN OUR NATIONS CAPITAL RESEMBLE THE TEACHINGS OF ACIENT KEMET?THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT ,THE PRESIDENTAL SEAL? ALL THESE THINGS BUILT BUY MASONS...RAY IS EXPLORING SOME GREAT THINGS..THEY JUST BUILT A BUILDING IN LOS ANGELES THAT WHEN SEEN FROM A CERTAIN ANGLE AT NIGHT..THE LIGHTS TAKE THE SHAPE OF OSIRIUS WEENIE...WOW JUST A COINCINCEIDENCE? THERE IS SOMTHING BEING KEPT FROM US...DO WE DARE RISK DAMNATION TO FIND OUT....????? I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT JESUS WAS REAL...PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME I HAVE BEEN MISLED...AND WAS HE REALLY ANGLO..WITH LONG HAIR AND A BEARD? BLUE EYES TOO...FORGIVE ME LORD FOR ASKING...

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    1. Perhaps thats why one of the commandments was not to make graven images? Don't let these moneygrubbing charlatons rob you of your faith in God. There have always been wolves in sheep clothing all through the ages, Jesus is alive, this man can say what he likes but it is your choice to believe him or the Word of God.

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  46. WAS GOOFY A MAN OR A DOG? I MEAN HE STOOD UP RIGHT AND WORE CLOTHING...DID HE NOT? AND HE DROVE AN AUTOMOBILE..BUT YET HE HAD EARS AND A SNOUT LIKE A DOG AND COULD TALK...INTERESTING...MICKEY MOUSE HAD A HOUSE WITH A BATHROOM...DID HE TAKE A CARTTON SHIT ON THAT CARTOON TOILET? AND WHERE DID THAT CARTOON SHIT GO ONCE HE FLUSHED THAT CARTOON TOILET?A CARTOON SEWAGE PLANT?DID MICKEY MOUSE PAY A CARTTON HOUSE NOTE WITH CARTOON MONEY TO A CARTOON MORTGAGE COMPANY? WHO WAS BAILED OUT BY HIS CARTOON TAX MONEY? DID THEY KNOWINGLY SELL BOGUS MORTGAGES AND BET ON THEM TO FAIL ON THE DERIVITIVES MARKET? AND FORECLOSE ON HARD WORKING CARTOONS??BY THE THOUSANDS...CAUSING THEM TO OCCUCY CARTOON WALL STREET? WALT DISNEY SHOULD BE DEIFIED...HIS CORPORATION WAS....

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  47. What is with the Egyptian obsession? Do you pontificators even know?

    Did the regions now referred to as Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Cote d'Ivoire, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Togo contribute nothing to the great Black and human reality, that certain people are so want to pontificate about? What of the Ghana, Mali, Ashanti, and Songhai Empires? For that matter, did the areas comprising modern day Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Burundi, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Rwanda, South Sudan, and Somalia offer up nothing before colonization?

    And no, everything was not Kemet/Egypt and Kemet/Egypt was not everything. Yes, some researchers offer that North Africa - not South, West, or East Africa - was the birth place of humanity. Have any fossilized human remains been offered to support this postulation? So, humanity was birthed in an Egyptian desert (wasteland, wilderness, arid, desolate tract) and not a rain forest? And you all know this, how? The so-called history of so-called civilization and the truth of the history of man (as a species) are not one in the same.

    Why is there such a cultural line of demarcation between what is called Kemet and what is known as the rest of Africa? Why is Kemet (as a historical cultural artifact) so important to those in the United States (and the west), while of limited import in the rest of Africa, which would be much closer to such in space, geography, and time? Is it possible that all (emphasis added) of those who so revere ancient Kemet are cut from the same psycho-spiritual (internal) clothe, but feign dissention based upon varying degrees of melanin (external)? While trying to deconstruct the Trinity, the truth of human origin, and attempting to render one believer system credulous and another incredulous, riddle all (emphasis added) of the above...

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    1. Should we believe this bull you are even talking about, You dont know what the hell you are talking about.

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  48. To those who relish ancient Kemet/Egypt (“claiming” it to be a movement of Black consciousness) and seek, ever-foolishly, to elevate themselves to be on par with GOD, perhaps you and your system of mystery can answer Job’s call to task…

    Job
    38 Then the LORD answered Job aout of the whirlwind, and said:
    2 “Who bis this who darkens counsel
    By words without knowledge?
    3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
    I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
    4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.
    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars sang together,
    And all fthe sons of God shouted for joy?
    8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
    When it burst forth and issued from the womb;
    9 When I made the clouds its garment,
    And thick darkness its swaddling band;
    10 When I fixed My limit for it,
    And set bars and doors;
    11 When I said,
    ‘This far you may come, but no farther,
    And here your proud waves must stop!’
    12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
    And caused the dawn to know its place,
    13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
    And the wicked be shaken out of it?

    Riddle all of the above...

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    1. Dont use scripure because it a fact it has been alterd and changed. Thats why you fools cant see beyond your own ignorance. Because you quot it does not make it true.

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  49. Job
    38 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
    2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
    By words without knowledge?
    3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
    I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
    4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.
    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars sang together,
    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
    When it burst forth and issued from the womb;
    9 When I made the clouds its garment,
    And thick darkness its swaddling band;
    10 When I fixed My limit for it,
    And set bars and doors;
    11 When I said,
    ‘This far you may come, but no farther,
    And here your proud waves must stop!’
    12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
    And caused the dawn to know its place,
    13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
    And the wicked be shaken out of it?

    Riddle all of the above..

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  50. Can anyone point to where one can find an actual copy of the declassified King Alfred document that Hagins references? By now, it should be readily available on the internet...it is not. Why? From where did Hagins supposedly procure it? Have any of you read it for yourselves or is his assertion and analysis sufficient for your needs? What is the exact, temporal, and contextual nature of this "emergency" he mentions? Study and show thyself...at least, remotely informed.

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    1. theirs a pdf file if you Google rex82
      hope you find all you seek peace

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  51. Each one of you on here defending Ray Hagins need to go somewhere and sit down. He is a flagrant liar (fabricated credentials, professional organization affiliations, and all) and if you took five minutes to do your own research, as he suggests, you would already know that – wouldn’t you? So worried about someone believing in Jesus and debunking that supposed myth that you couldn’t see the myth that is Hagins before your very eyes.
    -SMH-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8Oq_Sd3Bw

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    1. Give a burial site of anyone mentioned in the bible...Truth be told .... there are none...myth

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    2. Ass hole ,you go somewhere and sit down. You are nobody, What research have you done. Do you mean the research by your so called european writers. Fool we longer care for your books, we have seen the example of your true nature. Most of you would kill your own mother for wealth and riches anf fame.

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  52. I GUESS IAM ONE OF THOSE WHO DR. HAGINS SAYS IS AFRAID TO LET GO..THE FEAR OF DAMNATION AND EVERLASTING TORMENT WITHOUT END IS JUST TOO OVERWELMING...I HOPE HE AND HIS FOLLOWERS CAN FORGIVE ME BUT I STILL BELIEVE IN JESUS...I BELIEVE HE ANSWERS MY PRAYERS ...THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPEND TO ME THAT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN DEVINE INTERVENTION....ONEDAY I WILL KNOW FOR SURE....

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  53. THE KING ALFRED DOCUMENT THAT DR HAGINS REFERS TO WAS AN OLD VERSION OF THE REX 84 ...IF YOU GO ON U-TUBE (IF IT IS STILL THERE)THERE IS SOME FOOTAGE OF A CONGRESSIONAL MEETING BACCK IN THE 1980S IN WHICH OLLIE NORTH WAS BEING QUESTIONED...WHEN A SENATOR ASKED WHAT REX 84 WAS THERE WAS A LOOK OF SUPRIZE ON COL. NORTHS FACE...THEN A MAN IN THE BACK ROW SPOKE UP AND SUGGESTED THEY DISCUSS THIS AT ANOTHER TIME..REX 84 IS AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE KING ALFRED PLAN...

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  54. The question is not regarding an alleged YouTube video; the question is WHERE is the ACTUAL/HARD COPY/ PAPER document? Produce it. Do you not even have a jacked up copy of it? Don't send people to some unspecified website; provide the ACTUAL site and the ACTUAL document.

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  55. I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE KING ALFRED LETTER AS WELL AS THE REX 84 BUT THERES NO WAY TO PROVE THAT IT IS AUTHENTIC...JUST LIKE THE COPY OF THE WILLIE LYNCH LETTER ...JUST SOME XEROX COPIES HANDED OUT...NO WAY TO PROVE THE AUTHENTICITY...THE SHOCK VALUE MAKES IT INTERESTING...KIND OF LIKE THE TABULOIDS AT THE CHECK OUT LINE IN EVERY GROCERY STORE...NEXT TO THE CANDY AND CHAP-STICK..I LIKE THE ONES WITH SPACE ALEINS AND STORIES ABOUT HITLER BEING A TRANS-GENDER..

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    1. FAITH makes ALL the difference for the TRUE CHRISTIAN. :)

      1 Corinthians 2:14
      But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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  56. When did God become black or white? God is a spirit the color put to him is by humans. Anyone who sticks a color on God is never going to reach any kind of enlightenment.

    Also, would someone tell me why any of us living today are responsible for anyone's actions in the past? I am responsible for my actions, not my ancestors, not anyone else living today or in the future.

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    1. You really sound like a white person! Not that being white is something bad, but you never protested when he was portrayed as white for all these years. And hell yeah it's nice to know that he wasn't white in this white wicked dominated world.

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    2. 1 Corinthians 2:14
      But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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    3. Dam right god has a color evidently you have not read your bible; Abraham said he saw three men walking in the plains of myre and one of them was the lord!!! He did not see a spirit. He sent sara he get some water, evidently he could drink. these are no attributes of a thing. It says he beheld the wicked, evidently he had eyes.
      We know he is a black man study the lineage when it says so and so be got.It tell you where god came from also and he was a black man.

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  57. having read the arguments for and against the teachings of Ray Hagins ,Ican only conclude that our colonisers and slave masters have surely done a greatjob on all of us.One thing is also certain, the truth has begun to come out,and so those who have a big stake in the curent version will move tooth and nail to continue to convince the rest of us that what they taught us is the truth.But there remains one significant fact 'Why is there so much effort being made to hide what is 'written in stone' in Egypt' Why have the noses of so many icons/statues been removed ie. the Sphinx, the defacing of the paintings and inscriptions in the temples? Surely if we can answer those then the rest will come easy.Keep moving forward Baba Ray.Modupe

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    1. Great words spoken brother. They can not handle the truth. I have taught history and studied well over 15 years, am still amazed at how well they kept the veil over our eyes for this long.
      peace

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  58. I NEVER HEARD OF LILITH (ADAMS FIRST WIFE)UNTIL I WATCHED ONE OF RAY HAGINS DVDS...THIS WOULD SHED SOME LIGHT ONE A MALE DOMINATED WORLD..I MEAN IF THEY WERE BOTH CREATED AT THE SAME
    TIME..THEN THEY WOULD BE EQUAL...WOW...I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY...INTERESTING..BUT OF COURSE THAT TOO IS JUST A MYTH...OR IS IT?....WOW

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  59. Well, I've heard much of the usual here.......finger pointing, blame game, anti these people, anti that establishment stuff. It's even gone as far as "oh, he doesn't have to answer the questions if he doesn't want too..." lol (what a copout!) Here's the deal in my opinion. If there's no solid truth to the Bible or the claims of Jesus, then people shouldn't be afraid to try it's proposal & see if they find it true or not….. I mean, if it's bogus then it can't hurt em rite?? The fact is that people won't accept Jesus because He stands starkly against their selfish, lascivious hearts & they're afraid of the possibility of having to deal with the reality of their own wickedness..... People just wanna point the finger and have a chance to turn the tables on whoever they deem to be their oppressor and return the favor! I know, I know......none of you are wicked. All nice fuzzy people...never did anything wrong ever....lol TRUTH-People wanna do what they wanna do & don't care for anyone telling them that there’s possibly a right or wrong "way". Here's the challenge people; try it for yourselves with a genuine heart and see for yourself! If you GENUINLY ask God to deal with your heart & mind & he doesn’t point you to Jesus, then move on! You don't have to listen to anyone’s opinion or go to any museum anywhere! Jesus never made those prerequisites! Remember, the bible says "believe upon the Lord & you shall be saved", not learn a lot about Him, check a bunch of opinions, do archeological digs, get PHD’s, & then believe.... It is FAITH based! Just like you believed that the chair you're sitting in rite now was stable enough to hold you without you researching who made it & what they used. :-) It’s funny how that faith worked out isn’t it? Maybe God just might be powerful enough to make His faith work in you……just maybe. After all, faith is not a new concept you know……

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    1. Did Christopher Columbus discover America???

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    2. They might be true had god not granted us the wisdom to know the difference. Why would I consede to a docutrine in loving a man that would rape my mother and hang my father but believe he is a just god. That is ignorance!

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    3. Faith has NEVER proven ANYTHING!!!!! No human being on this planet has EVER been born with ANY religion. ALL religions are a device to instill feelings of fear and guilt in people who go against their dictats. The biggest propblem today for religionists is that the masses now have access to FACTS. NO religion can set you free, only the TRUTH and FACTS!!!!

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  60. Btw, yes… I am a young black man (mid 30’s) born in the USA to Caribbean parents. No my parents weren’t Christian & no I wasn’t born in wealth...lol Yes, I do have friends of all ethnicities and cultures & yes many of them have done more good for me than my own “people’. Also, just in case you missed it, my white friends are my age & therefore had nothing to do with the slavery of black people years ago. I love my black people dearly & hope that we go forward standing firm on truth & love. The truth is that I never had to know every detail of black, African, or any other history to understand that I’m special or that I have purpose. I found that in Christ I can do things that I never imagined I would ever do in life……not to mention the freedom I now have to love other people unconditionally! Pretty good for a child of a drug addict huh? ;-) Listen, every person alive will have to do something with the historically factual person of Jesus Christ……It’s simple…… Accept or Reject…. But, you can’t make Him into who you want Him to be and call Him a very smart guy or just a good teacher with good morals. That’s not who He said He was. I once heard someone say “either he is a liar, a lunatic, or LORD”. You search out the record of His existence and see who He IS!

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    1. People such as you reaped the benefits of your fore fathers that is why you can enjoy the privilages you have today. weather they had anything to do with it or not there mothers and fathers benefited off of over 400 years of it.The past is very relevant. You just dont knowb your history and have never been taught it.But if you
      think by any stretch of your imagination that you have escaped racism you are sadly
      mistaken. Look no further than the president of the united states or trayvon martin.
      There in nothing in life unconditional, as my more would often say,just keep living.
      There are plenty of drug addic mothers out here among yours. I trust in god, I dont
      give a squat about that jesus topic. I wish you well son but when push come to shove
      those white freinds will forsake you when it comes to there own best intrest. Trust
      this to be true.

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  61. I see One day, The Blacks will rise for a revenge with the Anger because they were once slaves. Hey am Black too. And the Chinese will Rise against the Japanese because of the Opium wars, If you know History you understand what i say. Then the Japanese against the Americans, And the Americans against the Europeans, And Egypt against Syria, African French Colonies Against France,And that will be a world BLACKS will love to live in. Why all this catastrophe amongst us guys. Christianity, wasn't It started somewhere, Why do you accuse the europeans and americans as if they started it. If they Misunderstood Verses and used it to do evil. or even if they never read it and just assumed, and did wrong things, Why not let that be a problem between them and God. Why spend your whole time Studying people all time. Why do people want to rage the world this way. You who claims Jesus off the Messiah. Why not get along alone with your research and believe it alone. Why not take time Disproving all Religions, But is just strongly against Christianity. What wrong Has Christianity in its self done wrong to you. Because some people hid behind it and did something bad, Does it mean you have to stay in unbelief. What does Christianity as a life have to offer you, have you ever thought of that? Can't you see, What does God say in the Bible about Jesus, Not all will believe in Him. And where do you want to place your self. It is plainly said, Choose where you go, Then you choose the way traveled by many. Guys learn to forgive. So we have no rage against any stuff dating back to History.

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    1. Fuck you,let me rape your mother and hang your father and forgive. We are sick and tired of that foolishness You believe what you want but dont try to brain wash us with your christianity. The christian missionarys conquerd the world with those false claims of christainty.

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  62. Slaved before or not, What God wants is whether the slave and the master all Believed in His word and forgave each other and treated each other in love. Were Israelite not Slaved for 400 years, I wounder if we blacks were even slaves for up to 200 years, then our people would be Baily seen anywhere now. After all that was then, let now be now, Solve the probs of now make the world around you a happy place in Christ Jesus. I Believe God Save me By Jesus, And i live a life that is worthy of what He did for me,You might live the best of yours, But i know why i do what i do. Cause God Gave me a reason to live Holy, Peacefully and loving all around me.As the guy above said, If truly Christianity in itself has slapped you on the face, not what some person undiscerning wrongly understood, and did to you. If what Jesus said in itself has caused you pain, and if you find great fault in it, then you still have your self will guy, Not my wish but God has given your life for you to also make choices. Why do people always want to live for revenge. What if the person you are angry was once a slave forgave his master, and His master came to the understanding of what wrong he did, and God forgave him. Then you go on hating people who never even started the slave trade, Nor were there during that period. WHY GUYS. YES I AM BLACK TOO. Should the Jews rise against the Germans because of What Hitler did. Did you die forgiving Hitler b'cause of what he did. And you why continue to hate The Germans, Who never even fought for Hitler nor were there during that time. HEY MEN. Behave maturely Love God Love Jesus, Live a life worthy of appreciation even By God. And you will see that all is Simple.

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    1. Whatever you believe and love is your bussiness. we are no boot licking,ass kissing uncle toms. Thats between you and your god not ours.

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  63. We don't care, Its is certain and Written, One Religion will Rise after that Another is weakened, If all he Hagins was saying was may be to make Himself a secular person, That we can still understand to some point. This is another new Religion Coming up, in the name of Research. Buddha Even researched, But do you think you accept with What he says? But the Bible says, THE WORD OF GOD WILL STAND FOREVER AND EVER. NEVER BE DISCOURAGED PROPHESIES MUST BE FULFILLED, BUT WORE TO YOU WHO ALLOWS YOURSELF TO BE USED TO FULFILL A PROPHESY OF DOOM.

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  64. I was raised a christian. Going to church and studying the bible. During that course of time, questions began to form. I went to those I considered "mature" in the faith and posed my questions. However, I was made to feel wrong or silly and did not get my questions answered in a way that made sense. For instance, if God is Love and there is no darkness in Him how can He be a jealous God? How can he be a proponent of killing and war. I was taught He was the "Giver of Life." (Life is generated from Male/Female union; not male'male union. "Let us make man (male/female) in our image.") However, it in the bible God is the main killer of man. Also, if he is no respector of persons, how can he selectively pick who he loves more and protects over others; if we are all His children. It just does not make sense. When I read the bible, man has made God too human. In my opinion, the Creator/Creatress is more than we can ever come to know. We have free will to live our lives in the manner we choose with only one to judge in the end. I seek not to live in anyone elses paradigm because it take my life away from me (basically a subtle death). For me, truth is within. When you hear the truth you will know it to be true. My truth may not be your truth. The Spirit of God is in each of us. I am learning to listen and let the Creator/Creatress give guidance to make my journey on this plain the best experience it can be while learning from the hardships that occur and they will occur. Religion is of Man; man seeks to dominate man. Raised a christian. But, I no longer identify myself as a christian.

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  65. Hi Kemestri. Whoever reacted to your curiosity in that way mishandled their very understanding of managing God's Word. I'll try to address some of your questions briefly. 1) Because God is love He is jealous. That's a healthy form of jealousy. Just like I'm a husband and I don't want to share the intimate position that my wife & I have with any other man :-) He's who created us is the only one who should be worthy of our worship. 2a) God doesn't love war or death, but He is a righteous God. His Holiness set the standard. The bible teaches that "The wages of sin is death." That means that the payment for being found sinful is death. He doesn't want that for us, it's just how things work when we're found less than righteous. Thankfully, we don't have to be found less than righteous! That same verse goes on to say "but the gift of God is eternal life." An example would be basketball: They didn't put the out-of-bounds line there because they hoped you would cross it, it needs to be there so that you know what's expected of you in the limits of basketball. 2b) Having said all of that, If God created a person & set a standard & that person wants nothing to do with God..... & even goes as far as attacking God (by attacking those that do follow & believe in Him), then God has the legal right to take away the life that He gave that person in the first place. You, my friend have the right to do what ever you want to do with something that you own. If you plant a tree expecting oranges & you get grape fruits, you cut it down...(bad example :-)) 3) God doesn't pick who He loves in the manner that you speak of. God has given every person the same opportunity to love Him. We have to remember that God knows everything.....He even happens to know who will use that opportunity & who will not not given the best scenario. Therefore, He can choose using His foreknowledge. He doesn't love anyone more than the other. The bible says that "He does not will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." BTW, we are not all His children, we are all His creation. Those that accept His Son are His children. 4) Yes we do have free will to choose. 5) No truth is not from within. That would mean that truth could be different for everyone and we both know that makes no sense. There can only be one truth just as there is only one you. I can be wrong & someone else can be right, but there can't be 10 right positions.....lol 6) Yes, religion is of man. It's man's attempt to reach God. Christ is God's finished work to reach man! Hope some of this helps my friend.

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    1. Thats a lie and the bible confirms it. No it does not help!!

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  66. I haven't the time or patience to read the entire interview or these comments. What I am here to do is clarify something. Everything was left in Egypt on the walls so everyone can know who the first fruits of the Earth are. It takes a complete idiot to NOT see who they are. So save your Bible stories, they are not true. The truth is in the walls. If you see the likeness of you on the walls smile. If not, then respect and bow down to the Gods/Goddesses of the planet, PERIOD!

    You don't have to publish this post, you read it, so you know!

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    1. Oh & that would be KEMET! Thieves even changed the name to deter the chosen. But the awakening is upon the people. You cannot deny them their home any more. Pack up and move out peacefully. You have lived on their land, worn their gold & ate their fruits long enough. Return the contents of the tombs asap. Show some freaking respect already!!

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    2. Thank you GoDyZ LoVe.. nice short and to the point. USE YOUR THIRD EYE PEOPLE. FEAR WILL LEAD YOU NOWHERE!

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    3. Sounds like the above is a rejection of the true God and the revelation given of Him in the Bible.If so,the next step would tend to be a return to idolatry, or to INVENTING God.Our history(Afrocentricity), does not negate the Universal application of the gospel of Jesus Christ.the battle and choice is not between europe and Africa, it is between God and Satan.

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    4. Thanks for the enlightment.

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  67. WOW!!! I'm at a loss for words right now. I found this blog because I have been listening to Dr. Hagin. He will be in my city tonight and I wanted to see if anyone had debunked his theories/beliefs about religion. Part of me beleives that Dr. Hagin has made valid points but without the ability to verify his claims I'm stuck. But then again, I was fed Christianity for 25 years of my life and could never debunk it. I would have to rely on Man's knowledge to debunk either. Man fed me my religion and Man is now refuting what it has taught me. SMH @ us humans! I do believe in the creator of the universe but I need to discern relgious practices. I feel enslaved when I think of religion but then I like to think of religion as a way to keep me disciplined. One day I will feel like I know the truth...however, today is not that day! I will never stop believing in the power of PRAYER though. Ironically, prayer is a practice of ALL religions including Satanism! I would be a fool to not believe in the spiritual realm. I'm slowly moving away from the religious stuff and my mind is opening more to sprituality and since I'm black, and my ancestors AFRICAN, it would behoove me to study African spiritual beliefs. It wasn't until recently that I learned that the primary religion in West Africa before the trans-atlantic slave trade was Islam! I thought someone slapped me in my face when I was reading these facts! How could that be possible...my ancestors didn't come off the boat believing in Jesus??? I felt so betrayed. That still wasn't enought to make stop believing in Jesus though. It wasn't until I start questioning myself. Why do I worship Jesus more than I worship God and his word says not but no other God before him. My religious community taught me that Jesus and God was one in the same. That is was ok for me say Thank you Jesus, Amen. But now, it doesn't feel right anymore. I've typed long enough now....going to Pray now, this world needs HELP! I am no longer putting my trust in Man...he disappoints every time. Even the mythical Adam and Eve disappointed all of humanity, even God! So if the first humans couldn't get it right, I'm not waiting on the man sitting next to me to finally figure it out....

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    1. It is perfectly legitimate to worship God the Father AND Jesus.The Word of God existed as divinity BEFORE the MAN, Jesus Christ came on the scene.God is therefore revealed as actually being a GODHEAD(God ,without explanation,the Word of God and the Spirit of God).That is why in Genesis 1, God is sometimes referred to as US, and sometimes as " I ".So when the ONE God was being worshiped,the worshipers did not always realize this tripartrite nature of the Godhead.
      The Word became flesh and was then called, Jesus Christ,the Son of God.The change was really all about US! He came to redeem us back to the One whom Jesus then referred to as FATHER.We now relate to the Godhead as God the Father,Jesus and the Holy Spirit.Each has a different role in the order of things, with the Father and Jesus being worshiped and the Holy Spirit inspiring this worship.the arrangement may sound strange because we are perhaps not used to such mutual submission,without there being great contention for position,envy etc.

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    2. Trust in god, no they are not one and the same. Dont be confused over lies Seek your own self approval. Seek and you shall find knock and the door will be open.
      The study of history will reward all research. Go and see dr. hagin he is a brilliant mind. I have studid and taught history for over 15 years or more, He is revealing facts to you.

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  68. It's great to live in a world where you have the right to voice your own opinion & believe in whatever you want isn't it? ;-) I'm just glad that i don't have to rely only on head knowledge, history books, afterlife promises, cultural dilemmas, or wall inscriptions to know what's true. I have a changed life (despite what the haters may say about that self will garbage)! Anyone who knows me knows that they deal with a different person that has a different heart. Friends, find out what really means something in this life & not just the next......that's where truth is!

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  69. i jus want to say africans gain the knowledge of your history, because the europeans have the asians have and many other cultures have and its only till then will you know what cousre of direction your life will take. live religion alone it aint goin nowhere and take time to know yourself, (who am i )i was a christian until i took time to know my self and what bein black ment to me and and made me a stronger and not wise but aware of things in the world. So i would just like to say instead of argueing fight over WHAT IS RIGHT , WHO IS WRONG clear your mind unplug yourself from the matrix and gain knowledge of your history and trust me it will open your eyes and your clouded minds please knowledge is power so gain that knowledge and you will feel that spiritual power that we once had or have but is locked away in us. i love you all my brothers and sisters god be with. x x

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    1. Are you saying you cast aside your Christianity in order to find yourself ethnically.Does not sound like your Christianity was a reality.

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    2. Thank you for truth.

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  70. whether i agree or disagree, there has been great comments from everyone. i believe those that disagree with Dr. Hagins are confusing the physical stories of the bible, including Jesus (i.e. the parting of sea, noah's ark, adam and eve, heaven and hell, etc.), and the life lessons all religions and people live and commune by according to their sacred books. i had the wisdom to know even as a young child that the physical stories were fantastical, and as my parents were gods to me, i accepted their god--yet with a lot of questions that my parents couldnt answer, and that the sunday school teacher and preacher did not teach. in religious america's arrogance to decipher the writing and messages of the bible that is not only difficult, yet at the same time we are instructed to "believe", albeit on faith. more confusion. after years of this instruction, teaching and conversion, then comes along a voice that makes it plain and simple. but because of our investment to interpret the bible, the history of christianity is rejected. and that rejection is based on pride and arrogance and not based on historical evidence.

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    1. Actually,what seemed to have been refuted was Mr.Hagins insisting that key biblical teachings were derived from African religions, involving other gods.That is spurious and not just a cultural sideline.

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  71. God has spoken.He has spoken through His Son, Jesus Christ.The messengers who took the Gospel were not all good people, but the Gospel itself is good and pure.We should not confuse the message with the messengers.
    Jesus came through the Jewish line, according to what God had ordained.We may like or not like that fact, but we cannot change it.God uses whomsoever He decides.There is no need to reinvent Jesus to make Him fit our ethnic status,as a way to pay back for any oppression in our past or present history.
    We can have an intact self esteem through our relationship with God the Father in Jesus Christ. By the way, I am what some would call an African-American(actually BAHAMIAN).

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    1. Did Christopher Columbus discover America??? What ethnicity was he???

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    2. Well speak for yourself, that is your opion and many of us dont share it. I can see that your are confused with your idenity. Because you feel for the bull shit dont try to sell it to us. African- american BAHAMAN

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  72. Well, the good thing on this site, is that you all have agreed that God is. The argument seems to be when, where, and how did God come to be. In Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart" although a fictional book, the belief in God(s) was manifest long before the arrival of Christian missionaries. Within the historical timeline of race, class, and culture we should all be able to decide for ourselves when and where we enter belief and faith and research and intuition and family practice, and thus decide the path we will follow without being disrespectful of what each believes.

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  73. Stuck on Dr. Ray Hagins ah? There are lots of other qualified Black Women and Men who can and have proved what is true about the origins of Africa and Africans. Not to mention those authors who have silenced by Governments that want to keep us misguided and believing falsehoods about people of Color. Do your own research now before it is taken away.
    N.W. Washington,DC

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  74. I appreciate Hagins for exposing some hidden truths especially about Ptolemy 1 and the council of Nicea 325. I'm a truth seeker; I think we all should be. I'm eager to research what Stanhope and Hagin's have said. The bible even says to make sure of your beliefs and to keep checking to make sure it's true. So give these great gentlemen thanks and keep on checking and making sure!

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  75. Would i be a bad person if i were to tell you that you're wrong? Would you hate me if i told you that your ideals are terrible and misguided? Would it be a proper statement if i told you that you've had a misled life? It doesn't matter who knows more than who. It does not matter if you're intelligent and wise. It doesn't even matter if you're still alive. We're all ignorant and blind. We cannot comprehend where we came from and we cannot prove what the truth is. We don't have evidence that GOD does not exist. To be honest a lot of Christians are distracted in their own way of thinking, they're missing the spiritual wave of the Holy Spirit. We're not here to judge or condemn. We're not here to lie and convince. We are here on earth because GOD gave us life and our job is to spread his word around the world. Only with a good testimony and righteousness we will be able to shine light upon those who are blind. Aside from all hypocrisy and treacherous malevolent thoughts that human have; We are all sinners. There has to be a sacrifice in order for us to get to heaven in the after life. The answer is Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the saint and only saint 3 times. The Holy trinity are one and composed of the truth and only the truth will be able to free us.

    Romans 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

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    1. we have heard all this garbage all of our lives, that is your truth. so be it!

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  76. Wow...Ray always responds in the same exact way. He can't answer those questions!

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    1. And how do you know what that man can't or can do? There are many things I don't do or answer and it ain't because I can't. I don't owe anybody anything. If I say what I believe, that is my opinion and I don't have to justify it to anyone. Instead what I chose to do is laugh because its funny for someone to attempt to make me do or BELIEVE what he or she thinks I should. As a woman (if u are one), you should clearly understand this. It's just like telling a guy, "no i don't want to go out with you" and him demanding to know why for the purposes of making you feel bad or REFUTING a decision you made or belief you have. No one has that right.

      Ray is speaking his truth. If others want to hear his truth and believe it, let them. If people want him discredited because religion is BIG business or for any other reason, let them. Since you seem to be of the defensive nature, did you run down to any catholic (christian) church where the heads were screwing boys and demand questions be answered as to why it was known since the 80s (70s in some cases) that these priests were pedophiles but simply moved around like bad teachers in public schools and not persecuted for breaking the law and RUINING the innocence of children (who by the way can't or at least should not be defending themselves)?

      Look, from sister to (what appears to be a) sister, we need to utilize our energy raising OUR children, instilling morals and values in them and rebuilding our community, I'm just saying if you haven't noticed. Or better yet, why don't you try to mosey on ova to ben stanhope's community and see if they will accept the likes of you there, LMAO!
      Deuces~

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    2. REAL TALK BROTHER, LOVE YOU

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  77. 1 Corinthians 2:14
    But the UNBELIEVING man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Which requires FAITH in Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and SOON COMING KING OF KINGS to reign for ever!!!

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    1. I have heard that all through the debate. God is my lord and savior and I know the difference. Jesus never said worship him. He said follow him. He said worship the father in spirit and truth. He told the samarian woman, when she said good master:
      He told her why call me good. None is good but the father. You are a lost soul to worship jesus.

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  78. If God had/has a son, did he arrive by way of a physical birth and physical relationship/sex with a flesh and blood woman? When God Created Adam, was the womb of a flesh and blood woman involved and was Adam born of a flesh and blood woman? God, as the Creator of Life, is the Father of Man both Male and Female, which if true would mean that Man/male and female is the physical Creation/Son/Children/People of God, yes or no or both? Physically speaking, Man is a Creation of God, yet the question of mans spiritual connection to a holy/heavenly LORD is arguably questionable.

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  79. I have read every last comment! I am a middle-aged BLACK woman. I have been a minister for 13 years under Christian dogma. I have theological training and I love ancient history. I spent my youth from elementary to high school in Catholic schools. Here is the truth: Every history of civilization course from elementary to college be it a white school or black, be it parochial, catholic, private or public teaches the the origin of civilization (Cradle of Civilization) began in the Mesopotamian Babylonian region (Sumer, Egypt, Elam, Akkad,and Canaan, the Fertile Crescent or the Near/Middle East. This area was the first to practice, agriculture, writing system, invented the potter's wheel and then the vehicular- and mill wheel, created the first centralized governments, law codes and empires, as well as introducing social stratification, slavery and organized warfare, and it laid the foundation for the fields of astronomy and mathematics. According to history about 10,000BC to 8,000BC people from the Fertile Crescent migrated to the Caucasus Mountains taking knowledge with them. It is evident in their architecture. Isn't it remotely possible that the religious beliefs went with them too? Do you think, maybe, possibly, the those who became known as Caucasian "White folk" continued the practices of the ancients? Do you think, maybe, perhaps, the worshiping of the Sun and snake and whatever other religious rituals was altered to suite their own needs and living conditions in the mountains and caves? Do you think possibly, when the marauding cave-dwellers returned centuries later they didn't recognize their ancestral origin? Could it be that Christianity as well as other religions really did originate from the Cradle of Civilization....if so, then don't you think they would be evidence of its ancestral origin as well? Furthermore, isn't it arrogant (my other used to say, "Mighty White Of You", to think that you have the absolute truth and all else are liars?

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  80. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ASotbJVD5k
    Please refute Prof./Dr. Yosef Ben Jochannan an Egyptologist that taught at Cornell University for over 15 years

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  81. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGxazSX1__Y More Dr. Ben

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  82. Dr. Ben Lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUMJsCt9voo

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  83. What say you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caRp56jVv8I

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  84. Both Pastor Ray Hagins And Ben Stanhope Have Truth And Both Have Some Falsehoods. This Can Be Cleared Up By The Works Of Dr. James Hal Cone Ph.D. As Well As Dr. Diana L. Hayes PhD. Because Of Dr. James Hal Cone Ph.D. I Can Listen To Ray Hagins And 100% Agree With Him, Yet At The Same Time Preach The Gospel Message Of Jesus Christ. Why? Because The 'Christ' He's Refuting Is The European Version. The One He's Against Is Based On Serapis. You Follow? That's Not The Christ Of Our (Afrikan People's) New Testament. Both Of Them Also Need To Study The Works Of Dr. Mark A. Lomax Of The First Afrikan Church In Lithonia, GA As Well As Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

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